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Those A**holes That Valentined us, aka, Tan Asqueroso, Tal Vileza!, or, in plain English, The Crap the B&B Inflicted Upon the Loyal Enterprise FansTATV, AKA Those A**holes That Valentined us, aka, Tan Asqueroso, Tal Vileza!, or, in plain English, The Crap the B&B Inflicted Upon the Loyal Enterprise Fans, which never should have aired, but UPN and Paramount don't care about the fans any more than the Killer Bs, so there you go.
Bucky, Snugly, and myst123 do not in any way condone the crap Berman and Braga, AKA B&B, AKA...who the hell cares...upon the loyal fans of this series. What were they thinking? Oh, sorry, we assume Berman and Braga are capable of thought by even assuming they are thinking! Silly us. So, we don't consider this travesty an Enterprise episode, but those of you who wish to comment, please feel free to do so. BUT!!! Do write TPTB and tell them what you think. Here you may comment upon the...finale?....whatever. But, we urge all of you to email or mail both Mr. Moonves and Mr. Stapf and ask for a 5th season. And tell them why. And tell them you love Trip and T'Pol. And be polite. But tell them that they have quite the series if they will bring Coto back and let him tell the prequel stories of Trek. The man can do it. So spread the word. Thanks! Mr. David Stapf Sumner Redstone, Chairman Mr Leslie Moonves A whole mess of folks have made commentsMy God...what WAS that garbage I saw tonight after "Terra Prime"?! Could Trip and T'Pol have been written more out of character (shuttle scene aside)?! The timeline was screwed up. Characterization was screwed up. WAS there any kind of story here AT ALL?! Hell, they didn't even have the sets to NCC-1701D done correctly. I flatly refuse to see THIS as the last episode, or as even part of the Enterprise universe. i liked Trip's death, thought that that was plausable, but the episode was total crap and was more so an episode about Riker confronting his loyaties and feelings. complete disregard for the actors who have been working on the show, and didn't get a chance to say farewell. I wish manny would have ended the show. i'm sure he could have pulled a better script out of one of his hair follicles than B&B. i literallly threw things (not breakable or damaging in any way) at my tv at the end. ARGH! i think CT explained it well on fandom I agree, totally disrespectful to the actors and actresses of Enterprise. Esspecially Connor! Terra Prime is the true season finale, no doubts about it! Yes I agree this episode was awful! They backstabbed us loyal fans when they said they were canceling the show, was this just sticking the knife further in the wound? Lots of characters were out of character and I think a simple group of fans could've written a better episode. At least the fans would've provided a happy ending, and who knows the characters better than the actors themselves and the fans? I thought last episodes are meant to bring closure. I don't feel closure! I cried after the show, it was the worst feeling those writers have ever made me feel. Disappointed doesn't begin to cover it...in my view it wasn't an
episode of "Enterprise". It was a fudged up episode of "ST: The Next
Generation", and it was a mediocre epsiode of NG at best. It did a disservice to the cast, to the lore, and to the fans. I am disappointed, and so will thrive on fan fiction and accept Terra Prime as the final episode of "Enterprise", since it was. "The Final Frontier" was a STNG episode. i agree with all of you that was total crap i hated it they didnt even give them a proper send off i hate them i didnt cry during it but you should see me know i agree when some one said they were on drugs That sucks. I watched Monk instead of the last episode of enterprise. It really was disappointing? Oh man, that makes me sad, I'm a big fan of this show, never wanted it to be cancelled. Shut now I have to go watch to see how bad it really is. okay that was really awful--BUT--what if--stick with me here--since we were watching a holodeck story--that is not what actually occurred to the ENT crew? just a hopeful thought... gah, what a horrible finale! what were they thinking, killing trip!! both trip and t'pol were so out of character too! grrr, i'm so angry! Crap gypsypony: That would work except Troi says "Commander Tucker never knew he wouldn't make it back" or something to that effect... meaning he really did die :( Stupid B&B, this episode was complete and total *CRAP*. I could not agree more with all of you... I turned it off after a few minutes. I really hope this ep will be buried in the most dusty archive and never brought to daylight again.. and instead we get a new season with Coto in charge. Ditto to all of you! did anyone else think that there was a lack of communication going on between Coto and B&B? I mean the way it looked to me was Manny Coto was giving B&B a great setup for the finale with Demons and Terra Prime (which followed the Trip/T'Pol arc for the whole season) and all they had to do was just continue the storyline thread and dunk it in... and yes, THAT would have been a real "valentine to the fans" But they did a COMPLETE 180 and basically ignored everything the past eps had setup. Here's my take on the convo when Manny got to read the script for the finale: BB: Manny, we are so excited to have you here. RB: We wanted you to be the first to read the finale script! BB: (Handing Coto the script) Yea, it's a real valentine to 'our' fan. *snicker* RB: You mean fans, BB, plural. BB: Oh yea, I forgot about the other one. Oh yea and the series fans too. (back to Coto) But yea, it took us two whole lunch hours to come up with it. Manny, who's done reading the script (yea, in my story Manny can read on warp;), can only stare increduously at B&B and stammer out: B-b-b-but why???? BB: Glad you like it, now make sure Riker and Troi and front and center in almost every scene. They are the only couple fans care about. Manny: what about Trip and T'Pol? weren't they on their way to being a couple? RB: Duh! we killed him off because Trip/T'Pol were stealing the spotlight from Riker/Troi. BB: Yea Duh! And well, it goes down from there ... I don't get it...what a stupid episode. Where was the bond? What happened to the relationship?? Why was Trip's death so meaningless in the whole thing?? What was it that Riker learned from Tucker and his death??? It was all so vague and pointless. Couldn't they have figured out another way to include TNG without killing off the best character on Enterprise?? A valentine to fans?? Hardly!! what the hell kind of episode was that? holy shit. I knew it was gonna be bad -> but holy shit!!! what were they thinking. how can trip and tpol not have a relationship? what about the bond? ARGGGGGGHHHhhhhhh! :( :( Gawd that's what I said!!! T/T were just getting good (my chest hurt when Trip was crying at the end of TP - it was so beautiful) and then they just end it with a careless scentence?!?!?! The bond just vanished I guess - way to follow things up guys!!!!! Gggggrrrr. I feel soiled, I'm so mad I bothered I watched that blatant Enterprise homicide. It should be a crime to that to fans. Ugh - why do they hate us so much?!?! Someone, please write some post-TP fanfic and set the world right. :( I'm echoing people in saying it was total crap. But at least his death was honorable and he wasn't killed by some crazy alien. I agree with all you guys! What kind of crap was that?! It was the most horrible series finale ever! I'm fuming! All the useless things they did! My sister doesn't even LIKE Star Trek and she's all worked up about this! She only watched it with me because of TRIP AND T'POL! The STUPID writers HAD to mess things up! They can take this crap of an episode and stick it up their ass. Terra Prime was the REAL finale to me. This is my first time posting. I usually just read other peoples comments. But I am just so upset, I just saw the finale and I just had to let out steam. How could they kill Trip!!!!! I just started crying and yelling. I am so mad!!!!! They totally messed up the Finale. You can just tell the writers made it up at the last minute, they didn't put any effort into it. This is my first time posting, but I'm just so upset about that "finale" that I have to say something. That was the WORST Star Trek I think I have ever seen - I cried my way through the ending of the show, and am so disappointed and disillusioned: what was the point of having a story arc when they just ignored it at the end anyways??? Killing Trip? Where was the logic in that? He and T'Pol were finally just working everything out. It was so unfair. I refuse to think of that as an episode of Enterprise, and although I taped it, I never want to watch it again. Whatever happened to happy endings? You don't kill one of the main characters in the last episode, especially not when he had everything to live for; what a tragedy. What the heck is wrong with the writers...?! That episode was total crap. I saw more focus on Riker's little problem than anything else... how dare they belittle the Enterprise crew like that, and the fans that needed some sort of closure. I haven't disliked a single Enterprise episode, and this one OFFENDED me, pure and simple. As if the end of the series wasn't enough to depress me... they had to go and kill one of my two favorite characters... for what? To what purpose? It certainly doesn't make the fans happy, so why do it? I agree, Trip and T'Pol were so out of character... and Trip's death was treated like... well, one scene with T'Pol wanting to see his parents. Whoop dee doo... This was NOT a finale. Terra Prime was the true finale! I would have been better off not even seeing this piece of crap monstrosity. Forgot to pick out the *good* parts... Don't get me wrong, the premise of forming the alliance was good... and I would have loved to see more of it. Like, let us hear Archer's friggin' speech, don't just leave the holodeck... omg, I was fuming. The end with the three captain voiceovers was good, too... but please, talk about dressing up a crappy episode... that's about all that was good. *sigh* dear mr.b&b: *sneezes upon the last episode* I was lost with a lot of things. No, this episode might have been slightly better had there been more episodes to back it up. I feel like we're missing something her. Wait, WE ARE! DAMMIT! Sadistic only sadistic! Sadistic only sadistic! We all saw this comming. Sadly but true. Thank you all for sharing your thoughts. I had a really great time visiting this great site. So thanks to the creators of this wonderfull site as well. And all lets forget that last ep and instead we will remember that the death of T'Baby brought those two closer together and they ended up getting married and living a happy exciting life for a long long time. hey, you guys! it just a t.v. show! they probley run out of stuff to put on t.v. and look on the bright side! their probaley going to turn it into a movie! whatdoya think? This episode sucks dead donkey dick. I was a fan and a Trip/T'poler from the get-go and this is what I get for five years of loyalty. May the whole fucking Star Trek franchise crash and burn. At least we'll have fanfic immortality! WTF!!!!!????? this ep just did not make any sense at all. it sucked balls. :( One word an only one word can describe "TATVs",,,,F#cknale! I'm overseas and couldn't watch it, but it sounds like someone needs to launch a fanfic challenge to write a REAL series finale. I'm sure everyone in this forum could do better. My condolences, fans. Well, they did it. they did the ompossible. They got away with killing star trek. any one else see the news last night? "with all due respect how can you keep comming up with all these new fresh ideas" Berman says. Why did the babey have to die? Why did trip have to die? WTF! What idiots! In my area we have a team in the MBA playoffs. Our local UPN station played one of their games last night. So, instead of getting both hours of the final we got this and not Terra Prime. This was an awful show! I can only be thankful that I have a dish and get many UPN areas. I am going to try again tonight to see the beauty and angst of Terra Prime. (Even though those haven't been exactly reliable in the past.) Meh, I'll comment again. Firstly, the death of a character is sometimes needed to move the plot on forward, or someone has to die for some reason. I didn't think the death of Elizabeth was 'needed', but Trip's was right out stupid. Not only was it not considered as important after his death, but there wasn't a logical reason for him to die. No, this character death was not acceptable. Couldn't Trek have waited until T'Pol and Trip had kids or something? What the Trek people should have done was to make the season finale like any other season with a continuation, so that the fans could branch off from that stub. There were a few parts I liked (like when Phlox was in the kitchen, lol), but this episode on the whole was complete crap. OMG I could only watch 20 minutes before I had to turn it off. That was absolutly horrible. It was pretty much a TNG episode. Terra Prime was soo much better and I'll consider that the last episode. This one was just laughable!!!!!1 Seemed all the characters especially T'Pol were out of character. IT was very disappointing, but have to watch the rest to see how trip dies:( It was beyond words to describe how bad this was. At one point I thought I was watching STNG. I had to make sure that I was watching enterprise. I hate the fact that killed Trip. Also hate what became of Trip and T'Pol relationship. What the hell was these people thinking when they thought up this finale. Star Trek: Federation Coming Fall '06 on UPN It was like a bad fanfic without a beta; T/T were just bonded, holding hands, and I'm pretty sure contemplating children at the end of Prime, then their virtual stranger who obviously merely work together. It was ridiculous. I am greatly disappointed in Star Trek’s writers for this. The whole thing was so obviously contrived for the mere purpose of wrapping up Next Generation it was sickening. The characterization was crap, the plot was a total farce, and it focused on people no self respecting Enterprise fan gives a … targ pooh about. We need a protest campaign; it doesn’t matter if its over, what they
did is beyond contemptible and shows a complete lack of respect for their
viewers. A fanfic Challenge would be good too; a fix-it to run after Prime
so that “series (crap) finale” NEVER happened. That single episode managed to do what no amount of bitchy-Janeway, overused-Borg, and bad coriography could throughout nearly 20 years of shows, it made me HATE Star Trek. I hope Breman's proud of himself. When they killed Daniel on SG-1, I was pissed. When they killed Wesley on Angel, I nearly had a fit. This though... this pointless, plotless, pathetic s**t is horible. I don't care what show or movie they come out with next, I'm not watching it. Star Trek can go to Hell. I feel like smashing my desk. :'( A used sheet of toilet tissue is more valuable than the scripts that B&B write. They have with malice and contempt killed many loyal trek fans. By their actions, B&B are war criminals!! of the Trek community and should be arrested on sight !!! Wow, the bitterness is strong in here. Not that I feel any different. This episode wasted 40min. (I'm trying to exclude the commercials and the odd cute moment...shuttle, w/chef) of my life and I can't get them back. As you can see, I'm jumping on the "Terra Prime was the series finale" bandwagon. "Angel" and "Third Watch" were already in my top worst series finales list, but TATVs really set the bar. Even if they had written in some Teletubbie segment, I don't think they could've made a more Non-Enterprise oriented episode. Would it have killed them to have a tiny Tucker running around? Aren't bonds supposed to be permanent? Will there ever be a TV movie that will properly end the series a la Farscape? And why oh why did they have Archer hugging T'Pol? Sorry about the length of this. For those of you still reading, thanks
for your time. have to vent - after initial conflict/attraction, sexual tension, trellium, Sim, sex, Lorian, Koss, leaving/returning from Columbia, bond formation, bonding and grieving over a child, then showing hope for the future in Terra Prime, we find out that their "intimate" relationship ended shortly thereafter? Did they have a couple of dinner dates and decide it was over? You'd think after the multiple references to Romeo and Juliet, the writers could have made T/T's eventual relationship just a little more epic then basically "I'll miss you", "I'll write". I'm watching Enterprise on British TV, Channel 4, and Harbinger has just aired last week and I was on a high, then I read all this. I hope I can avoid ever watching the episode after Terra Prime. I've seen this kind of thing before, it proves that the people responsible care absolutely nothing for the fans that help with the popularity of their product. I shall write polite Emails to the addresses given and ask how anyone can expect to be respected by their most loyal customers when they inflict utter misery. I too cling to the hope that its all a hollosuite illusion. At least anyone with any brains would leve the field clear for a follow on feature film! Cheer up folks, things can only getter better. Hopefully. I'm a habitual lurker but I just have to comment today. That was, without a doubt, the stupidest, most out of character excuse for an episdoe I've ever seen. I tried to watch with an open mind and could have almost stomached bringing in TNG characters the way they did if they didn't kill Trip in such a stupid way. Was it just me or did no one care. "oh darn, trip's dead - did we get good seats for the show?" Having everyone confide in Chef was just illogical-T'pol was so out of character, as was Trip in the scene where he died-he seemed almost panicked-very un-Trip (I'm not at all criticizing the actors-just a pathetic script). Also, have I completely lost my mind or did Hoshi actually tell Chef that Trip wasn't her type for many reasons including he didn't graduate from high school, just learned about engineering on a boat somewhere!!!!?????Give me a break, you can't even become a mechanic here without high school. I haven't seen Terra Prime yet but once I get over my shock at this abomination I will block it from my mind and TP will be the finale. (sorry for the rant-but I've held in my negative feeling for so long...) So pointless, so careless. There is nothing more to say. I'll wait for my ENT box to arrive next week and enjoy the first season instead. This episode was an embarrassment. I felt aweful for the poor actors having to say those stupid lines. It became more and more stupid the more it dragged on. I'm dissapointed in Marina and Jonathan Frakes for even agreeing to do it. It does not put them in a good light. Next Generation was a great show but their involvement in the episode was completely unbelievable. Are we supposed to not notice that they look 10 years older than the timeline in the show is supposed to portray? I mean, I'm older and fatter than when I watched Next Generation the first time around. When I watch Star Trek I hardly want to be reminded of the fact that time is marching on and dragging me with it. Did they really think we would believe that what Riker experiences in the damn holo deck was really what happened between the Enterprise crew? That they would really say all those stupid things? Ok, sorry for going on and on, but that was just a huge disappointment but I guess it's exactly what I expected. Enterprise never has really gotten any respect. It's too bad. It truly is. In my mind Terra Prime is the series finale and the rest is left up to my imagination, as it should have been. CRAP! I mean, i didn't mind the trip/t'pol scene in the shuttle pod, it was kinda cute, But other than that it was absolute S@#t!!! Trip/T'Pol ending their "intimate" relationship! Hell No! That would never have happened! What were B&B thinking!!!!! Their minds obviously weren't in this part of the Galaxy!!!! RRRRRRRRRrrrrrrrr... Ok, I'm done now. Add me to the list of lurkers who have come out to rant. I was so disappointed with what they did to the Trip/T'Pol relationship and killing off Trip. I was a blubbering mess at the end of the episode. Why? Why? Why? At the end of "Terra Prime" I thought that T and T had reached a new level in their relationship and we are to believe that it just fizzled out and they were just... what?.. pals?.. co-workers? for the next 6 years. When Riker asked T'Pol if she missed Trip I thought that he had died in the intervening 6 years and was shocked to find out that he was still alive and aboard. What was the point of Riker's question? Then my jaw dropped when she asked Trip in the shuttle if he missed her. Did these 2 somehow not ever work together or pass each other in the corridors or anything like that for 6 years? She needed Riker to get her thinking about Trip again? I'm going to go into denial like some other fans and deny that Trip died. There was some kind of glitch in the records that Troi looked at and it wasn't Trip who died and that we broke up after our baby died didn't happen either. So there!! I just want to thank B&B for driving a stake through the F***ing
heart of the fundamental message that Star Trek brought to us; 'a positive
outlook for the future'. I honestly think we as fans should totaly move to strike that horrible ep. from cannon. Just ahhh get rid of o. It was like watching a high school play. I've read better out of character fan fic. "These are the Voyages" episode was total crap. They backstabbed the fans when they said they were canceling the show and stuck the knife further in the wound by showing this episode and twisted it when they killed Trip for no reason. What were they thinking by killing off the show's most favorite character in the end of the episode. I felt like throwing my remote at the TV. Somebody must be taking drugs or has severe head trauma for coming up with this. The only part that I liked was the closing montage with the three enterprises and the premise of forming the alliance. Was this a Next Generation episode or a enterprise episode? This was the worst ending I ever seen for a series finale. I suddenly felt very unclean after I watched this episode. This episode made me feel totally helpless, depressed, and used. I've been a fan of Star Trek for the last 20 years from the original series, through the animated series, several movies, TNG, DS9, and even Voyager, but this episode made me feel like hating Star Trek for the first time in my life. I was planning to buy Star Trek enterprise season 1 and 2 DVD sets, but after this episode I will not buy the DVD sets. What is the point of buying them, when in the end of it there is such a crappy episode. I give paramount one piece of advice, to take this episode and stick it in the deepest darkest place known and to take Tara Prime as the last episode in this series. There are so many things wrong with this episode that I don't know where to start. First of all, there isn't much of a change when you jump several years into the future after Tara Prime. Many of the crew seem to be in the same positions they were after Tara prime, apparently promotion among Starfleet officers is not high-priority. It seems in the end that only Archer seems to have gained some kind of promotion. It seemed everybody else has no ambition in the future. Second, we already know Riker's choice in the Pegasus affair will be and we did not need to see an entire episode devoted to how he came to the decision. It could have probably been done better in a book rather than wasting film to shoot this episode. It was not needed and I don't know why they were needed in this episode. I've heard about Miss JB's comments about this episode, and she's absolutely right. Third, T'Pol's characterization during this episode was way off, she was too emotional and not very Vulcan. I know for certain that no self-respecting Vulcan would ever speak about emotional items in front of other people as she did in the shuttle pod with Trip. Trips behavior was also off, in Tara Prime he had an almost McGyver like quality to him when he got himself out of the locker room. In this one he simply kill himself and took everyone else with him. He died for apparently no reason, at least Spork and Kirk died while either saving the ship or an entire planet from destruction. Trips death lacked any kind of dignity whatsoever and I would feel sorry for the actor who had to play that part. Also by not leaving an open-ended episode finale, the fans have nothing to look forward to in the release off Star Trek Enterprise books. It would have been better if Trip died during the Romulan wars rather than now. Apparently nobody around paramount seems to have thought of that or cared. Fourth, I always like the character of Shran and the actor who played him. But it felt as if Shran was tacked on to this episode without much thought and his participation in this episode was meager at best. Almost all Star Trek finales were two hour episodes and this one should have been a two-hour episode. It tried to do too much in too little a time. Fifth, this episode did not do well with the Trip/T'Pol relationship. In the end of Terra Prime, Trip and T'Pol seem to have made a connection after Elizabeth's death. Then suddenly we jump into the future and T'Pol says that the relationship ended a short while after the Terra Prime episode. We do not get to the reasons why the relationship ended in it seemed that the writers just added this comments in without much thought. The whole seasons 3 and 4 had many references to Trip/T'Pol's relationship and suddenly the relationship doesn't matter anymore. Please tell me what was the point of having such a relationship when there is no closure or completeness of any type in the end of this episode. It seems that the relationship was set up so well, to be suddenly cut aside with only a few comments by T'Pol. Also, what about the bond that Trip/T'Pol shared? I guess either someone did not think or they forgot about it. Dose anyone in paramount even look at the past episodes of the show, I guess not, since we were given such a crappy episode with no inter-seasonal connectivity. Sixth, they could have at least shown us the ending speech that Archer was supposed to give to the assembly, but I guess that was too much to ask from the people who run the show. I am not sure who was responsible for this episode, whether it was Coto or B&B. If it was B&B then they should be shot on sight for such a travesty of an episode. Everyone set your phaser to kill and frag'em all. okay i am just as unhappy as anyone else, but to wish B&B dead, their families dead, and to burn down their houses just isn't funny. i prefer to believe this was a malfunctioning holodeck episode, T/T stayed bonded (it is a lifelong matter for Vulcans after all), even if they did not have any children (Spock is established as the first human/vulcan, right?), and somehow it will all be explained away later. like they explained the Klingon biker dudes on TOS. let's stick with the true meaning of Trek: tolerance, curiosity, friendships; and please, don't wish anyone dead, especially not with all that's happening in our own timeline. bad karma. Not much I can add except how truely terrible the finale Enterprise, no wait TNG episode was. Not one Enterprise crew was present just holograms with half-assed programming. I think I scared my cat, yelling at the TV. 1. It was just a reeeeeeally bad re-enactment. I mean, how accurate in detail are most historical movies? A mediocre holo-program writer would easily screw up the character stuff, right? (Like B&B did. Curse. Their. Talentless. Souls.) Admittedly, Trip's DEATH would be a big detail to screw up. So, my favorite explanation is the second one: 2. Alternate Universe. Maybe with the Temporal Cold War, or even Q involved. I'm sure someone could make a plausible explanation! Ah, now I'm feeling depressed... Won't Manny Coto even get a chance to fix B&B's mess?! Thanks, gypsypony, for reigning people in. No need to hope for harm to come to B&B. And this episode was just...empty. Nothing. It had no soul and it definitely had no heart. It didn't even have our characters. It was just a blank. It was pathetic. OMG!!! I just realized by doing what B&B did with Trip and T'pol... none of the books can have them together if the books are to follow cannon! OMG!!! I was so looking forward to years of ST:ENT books with all sorts of great TnT in it! OH HELL! Thank god for the vivid imagination of fanfiction writers. Fore we must live T/T through them alone. In the real time line however... challenge! My goodness, I haven't seen the finale but from what I've read from your musings, it will be a painful experience to even watch it. I am hoping there will be some sort of a chance that perhaps writers can revive Trip's character in books. I'll definitely buy the book! A lot of the acting was fantastic but that simply could not make up for the fact that the rest was almost awful beyond words. It would have made a semi-decent episode (sans Trip dying) if it were not the finale. So much screen time lost to Riker/Troi (some of the scenes were good...but not the finale), zero explanation for the end of the T/T relationship, Shran a criminal...right, Trip dying for no reason, the lack of emotion (especially from the supporting crew), no closure, no speech... why... why God why? B&B... your Valentine to the fans was a real lemon. What the hell is it with the "big wigs" killing off the best characters; Angel's Wes, SG-1's Danny (although he came back), Witchblade's Ian, Babylon 5's Marcus, Earth: Final Conflict's Liam, even Sirus in fricking Harry Potter. It's getting so I can't watch a show anymore for fear they'll kill my favorite. Is nothing sacred? Okay, one last rant to end them all for me. Like most out there who have seen EVERY SINGLE EPISODE and completely fallen in love with the series, I was incredibly disappointed by the "ending". I put this in quotes because I like to believe that evil alien species abducted the REAL final episode and left us with that crap. There were moments, yes, like Trip's conversation with Chef. But come on! After an event that brought them closer than ever, suddenly they break it off with no explanation? Talk about ruining the climax of the season. I much would have preferred to see Trip and T'Pol living out their angsty future than them being broken up for six years before his untimely demise. And let's talk about that. How many times has Trip almost died in this show? Especially fourth season... And every single time was so dramatic, it jerked me to tears. Now those dumb asses throw in the stupidest spoiler ever and tell us he's going to die and then make him completely out of character when he does. He was acting like he'd never seen an alien before. "OhmygodohmygoddonthurtmycaptainIllgiveyouanythingyouaskfor!!" Not even like those guys were particularly threatening or anything. Wtf were they thinking? And really, did they have no budget at all? Throw some hair extensions on Hoshi and give T'Pol a new wig and suddenly everyone is six years older? Obviously their botox treatments are a lot more advanced. In "Twilight" they did a fantastic job of making everyone look older. This time they didn't even try. And for f***'s sake, why didn't they introduce the original Star Trek uniforms? Did the series make no progress AT ALL??? Sigh. It could have been so much more... I spent all day at work trying to rationalize the episode through fan fiction ideas. Freaking B&B. Trying to make me lose my job. Same thing happened with the live action Sailor Moon (if anyone else is dork enough to have seen it). Series was great, and then a final episode set years later just sucked beyond words. Well I guess that's why we fans are here. We can still make up our own ending. Ciao, I demand my hour back. Never before have I been so insulted, so angry over a television show. And I thought the last season of Voyager was an insult. What they compiled was bunch of bullsh**, pure and simple bullsh**. It was a though they took Enterprise, covered it in manure, set it aflame, then took the ashes mixed it with more crap and threw it in the faces of all the fans. As a writer I could have done better on my lunch break, been more loyal to the characters and provided a suitable and mildly happy ending while still killing Trip (not that I would intentionally). As a writer it gave me nightmares to think that such a piece of work would be paid for, much less aired on national television. That episode was a combination of useless and obvious plot ploys, disregard of history and of Star Trek facts. There was absolutely no reason to kill Trip, it served no purpose and didn’t even seem to affect the crew in the end. Archer, who just lost his best friend of at least thirteen years, is rather calm and composed; emotionally collected. We are given no insight to his grief or his loss. The rest of the senior staff appears to be happy and chipper during the ceremony, though Trip only DIED TWO DAYS AGO! Any idiot knows that human emotions do not function like that. There’s grief, denial and a whole series of steps to overcome that can take years, not days. Shran’s plotline was useless crap, though the daughter was cute. And forgive me if I’m wrong, but the alien ship was only capable of wrap two while Enterprise was going wrap four. The numbers do not add up. And exactly how did they board Enterprise? Why didn’t Trip lead them to security forces or to the bridge where they could have been outnumbered? On that note how come they were the first to reach the aliens? It makes no sense, please forgive me for reiterating this point, but it had no purpose. I expected more (though not much considering Voyager’s end) from
Brannon and Braga. At least a semblance of a decent goodbye and some sort
of resolve to the Trip and T’pol arc. Not an episode of ST:TNG, much less
a revisited episode that made no sense and cut out too many important
details. I do not wish B&B any harm, but only that “These are our
Voyages” be stripped from the archives, and removed from my memory. Though
no amount of brain bleach could probably complete, much less handle such a
tremendous task. Saw the ep and I can't describe well what it did to me. I don't mind
the holodeck part, but the one about Shran and the rescue gone totally bad
isn't credible when you take 4 years of episodes in account. As well as
they way to easy dismissal of T/T relationship. So if B&B ask themselves why we reacted so dissappointed to this
final ep they should realized that they 'took' something away we all cared
about. With that they also unmade parts of their own 4 year storyline of
series building up a wonderfull piece of fiction and destroying
significant parts of it with one uncomfortable and contradictionairy
episode. I hope everyone emailed Moonves and Stapf! You all have made some great points in your messages, but the messages here won't do any good. You have to tell Moonves and Stapf. I've provided the email addresses at the top of this page. OMG!!! I just had a bad dream. I dreamed I watched the last episode of Enterprise where Trip, my fave ENT character, died for no apparent reason. Doh! One of the best engineers in the trek universe dying stoopidly like that? It's just not possible. And he didn't even get a funeral! In my nightmare, all the ENT crew were acting grossly out of character. T'Pol was acting too 'fidgety'. It was like she OD'd on caffeine or something. Everything just seemed like a cosmic sick joke. Neways, I'm ever so happy it was just a bad dream. Whew! Is anyone reading the interviews from Braga and Berman and some of the other cast members? It's interesting to note who's sticking by TPTB and who's expressing their opinion (You go Jolene!): btw, B&B must be living in a mirror universe, because they seem to be justifying the f#cknale as a success. Here are some links that might be interesting: B&B: Coto: Bakula: Blalock (she's got a couple, hehe): Trineer: Billingsley: Oh and this is hilarious. On the official Star Trek BBS some guy (maybe
B&B pretending to be a fan, who knows;-) wrote a glowing review of the
f#cknale and the first response to that post was "dude, you are going to
get flamed so bad you'll think you're in hell" LOL! I certainly hope you fans out there are going to write to B and B and Coto, telling them how insulted we are at this episode. Paramount Studios 323.956.5000 What a horrible ending to a wonderful, fun show. Even Archer didn't get
a real goodbye to his friend of twenty years, Trip. How sad that people
just throw a script together for money and really don't care about what
they write. My husband and I both hated this ending. On the crappy finale: When T'Pol is packing and she smells Trip's uniform sadly before putting it away... it's such a huge change from the first time they met: T'POL: This confirms that I was T'POL: I've been trained to tolerate offensive situations. TRIP: I took a shower this morning. TRIP: Trip. I'm called Trip. T'POL: I'll try to remember that. DF, great idea! I'll write to those three as well and tell them what I think of this finale. That was awful. I watched it in fragments because I couldn't bring myself to watch it in one go. TNG, (especially) DSN, and even (though I am the minority who thinks so) Voyager had admirable and meaningfully emotional send-offs. The show will not be renewed, but even if they can make a tv movie or special to, in effect, create a "new" ending or fix this crap I think we'll all be satisfied. Perhaps T'Pol can go back in the past and save Trip, then it can fast forward to the future again where they are now happy and married. Who knows, but it is certain that the Enterprise fans deserve much more. Well, what I'm doing is pretending that the last episode was actually Terra Prime and that the episode following was, like "Through a Mirror Darkly" a mirror universe. The last episode didn't really make me angry, or upset... I didn't feel any of those kinds of emotions. What I did feel is sadness, sadness that such a great show could end with such an empty last episode. It didn't fit with the other episodes before it, and I found Trip's death to be lacking and wasteful. B&B had a chance to end something great, and they ended up ruining it. The real sad part is... it kinda makes these last few years feel almost worthless. Well, at least that's how B&B seem to view it. What the heck did we ever do to them to get this treatment? That's what I don't get. *shrugs* It just doesn't seem right to do that to people who genuinly like the show just because they think Trek should end. holy crap!!! i thought I was mad, you people have voiced for me emotions i didn't even know i had about this "debacle", thank you all... except the whole wishing people and their families dead, we got enough of that already in real life we don't need it in our TnT world is it just me or is having the names on the uniform like a resolution to alzhiemer's, which i think bnb have, so yes THIS EPISODE SUCKS AND WILL NOT EVER BE RECOGNIZED AS PART OF STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE, i think my four year old niece could've written a better episode, she LOVES enterprise, i think that's the saddest part, the next generation (no pun intended) of sci-fi space lovin' kids will have THIS to stand out in their minds as the "finale", come on!!!!! i surely hope bnb are satisfied with their trek killin' selves, i was sooooo not going to watch it yet some how i couldn't stay away and (w/the exception of the pod scene_which kinda, in a way, blew also_ was STABBED IN THE HEART by THIS?! i'm just glad JB is so outspoken about how abbhorrent THIS was, she is so tottaly a fan at heart, we should write her to for sticking up for us, don't you think? so Thank You Ms. Blalock for sticking to the integrity of all that is Trek may you live long and prosper. TP'D I just finished watching it for the first time (caught the late airing up here in Canada on the Space Channel)... I then went promptly to vent my pain in my livejournal, so I won't bother repeating myself... honestly, I don't think I have the energy to. I'm just so disappointed. I didn't think Star Trek could sink any lower. Ironically, I just watched Farscape's "Jerimiah Crichton" this afternoon... the commentary by the producer, series creator and the two lead actors that accompanies the episode dubs it as Farscape's worst... pretty much bar none... how absolutely pathetic is it that I enjoyed THAT episode ten times more than the painful, nails-on-the-blackboard agonizing piece of crap that I just sat through... I want that hour of my life back... hell, I want every positive memory of that I ever had associated with Star Trek restored... because right now, they are laying around me in ashes. I am done. I am SO done... This episode was not a Star Trek: Enterprise episode. It was a STNG episode entirely. The whole Enterprise story that went on was a back drop to Riker's delema. It even seemed like everything that happened was only to further help Riker. That's why Trip's death was so horrific. It might have been something very Trip like, to sacrafice yourself for those you care about (but let's face it, we all know that Trip is way smarter than simply blowing himself up...HE'S AN ENGINEER FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!) but it felt like he died in order to set an example of 'loyalty to your captain' for Riker. It was so shallow and empty. And they actually did it. It appalled me to even think of it but they did it. Well, actually it's what they didn't do that shocked me... THERE WASN'T ONE WORD ABOUT TRIP AND T'POL'S KID IN THE ENTIRE SEASON FINALE!!! God that just fries me...but I suppose that makes it easier to separate from Terra Prime...*blows steam out her ears in frustration* So here's my thought... Trip and T'Pol get together...maybe even after 6 years but they get together...and in order to make sure something like Terra Prime doesn't happens again and to ensure no one knows about them, Trip does something drastic. I think it would be so much like Trip to fake his own death in order to ensure the continued welfare of his family. So that's my idea of how it really worked out...and then the holodeck program is the trumped up story that was told to the media (the main crew of enterprise would have to be in on it then but hey, I think they'd be all for it). So basically...the history books are wrong... That 'aliens returning' thing was so bogus anyway; they've been in way worse situations before and thought of a way out of it. This episode...When I first saw Riker and Troi, I was like, you've GOT to be kidding me. But I thought, what the heck, maybe I'll watch it with an open mind--they can't screw it up that badly.... Yeah. Right. Ok, I never watched NG, so I don't really know anything about them, so I wasn't paying any attention to Riker and Troi in this episode. I just wanted to see some T/T action. Did we get any? No. I mean, did the writers think that we wouldn't notice that Riker and Troi are OLD? Or was that just something to do with the plot... I have no idea since I only watched for T/T. Setting it six years later...and Trip and T'Pol never broadening their relationship...I have no words for how STUPID this sounds. A badly written piece of trash that should never have been aired. Come on, I know they've had problems in the past, but Trip and T'Pol would have made it past their daughter's death. The only scene in this that I liked was the bit of Trip and T'Pol in the shuttlecraft. It at least was a little in character. I kind of liked how all the characters talked about Trip to Riker (even though confessing to the Cook has never been mentioned before--at least to my knowledge--so it was very cliche and pointless, but at least it focused on one of our favourite characters). The scene before Trip died, in the hallway...it was forced. Conner obviously didn't feel that the episode went with Trip's character, but he did the best he could. And when he died...I didn't see any emotion from the crew at all. T'Pol didn't mention. Hoshi, Travis, and Malcom were all "we have bad seats for this stupid award thingy" and Archer was like "my speech! my speech! HUG ME T'POL! YOU'RE MINE SINCE TRIP'S DEAD!" I almost gagged. Trip's death added nothing at all to the story. It was completely pointless and if I were B or B I would probably be so ashamed of myself for writing or directing or whatevering this episode that I'd never come in contact with society again and would shut myself up in a closet in the middle of the Sarhara Desert. Terra Prime, even if it was confusing was better than this piece of utter CRAP. The last scene was so sad, yet bittersweet...both of them heartbroken over thier daughter's death, Trip crying...and the handholding....That's the TRUE finale. gypsypony said: i prefer to believe this was a malfunctioning holodeck episode AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! Yes, Gypsypony. I agree First off, I couldn't help but laugh for like 5 minutes out loud when i saw the name you have given this (in lue of TATV). Second, TATV wasn’t that bad (HOLD IT, LISTEN TO ME BEFORE YOU THROW THINGS!!) as an episode, but it was a horrible series finale. I too see Terra Prime as the true ending. If it was say, in the middle of the series it would have been a pretty cool episode (though, still badly written). It kind of reminded me of that episode of Voyager where the Doctor is
reactivated on the alien planet after 200 years, in a holographic
recreation of a battle they had with the ship. I cannot remember the name
of this episode, but the aliens believed that Voyager was a war ship, the
doctor was an android, and that the other species had started the war with
Voyagers help. The Doctor corrects these beliefs, stays awhile and then
leaves to find out what happened to the crew. Point is, holographic programs that are supposed to be recreations are
not always 100% correct, just like our own historical documentaries we
play on TV. We can fix this abomenation the sameway Star Trek has been fixing 'mistakes' for the past 20 years: Time Travel :) TRIP DID NOT DIE! and if he did, it would not be in that pointless/stupid way AND he and T'pol would have still been together. My wife didn't watching the last 4 seasons of ENT with me. I'm hoping to convince her, to read all of your comments. So that she'll better understand why I found the finale to be so disturbing! I write from Italy, and I will see the last episode of enterprise the
next year. Just a word NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO The finale was not an Enterprise ep..... IT WAS A TNG EP!!!!!!!! ARG!! I was so pissed. How could they kill off Trip? What a bunch of crap. I wasn´t expecting a good finale, but what did they had in mind writing
that ??? (I don´t find the word to define it within my
vocabulary). I haven't seen the finale yet but from what I've read, I don't think I'll ever will. GOD!!! what was that crap i just saw? enterprise? no, not even near it. the next generation? i hated those series! even a donkey on drugs could have made a better "finale", simply by not making a finale at all. heres the deal : you make a series, that is basically wrapped around a relationship between two people. it is a bumpy road, but finally : a happy couple. and just as everything seems perfect, just as everyone thinks he can sit back and enjoy a nice, cozy last episode, you stab everyone in the back by killing the favorite character totally not needed. there was simply no reason. but now that could have all been forgiven, were it that this character could have had a worthy sendoff but noooooo.... i saw no emotion in anyone, like it was just some pet that died. they just dumped him into space and continued. well im sorry. im desillusionated and frankly, quite angry. i was going to buy all the seasons of enterprise on DVD, but im not going to now. i mean, whats the point? at least star trek : voyager got a good sendoff. not a brilliant one, but a happy ending. this is a crappy ending. i mean, kill archer, phlox, hoshi, reed, mayweather, half the ship, BUT STAY OFF OF TRIP!!! its just sooo sad. why the heck did he even take chances? he had a whole life ahead of him... god. well, to sum it up : if youve seen the episode, you should mainly agree with me, if you havent, dont watch it. itll do you no good. i for one am now going to skip two weeks to go to vegas or something, and pretend this never happened. adios for now, but the fights not over yet. By the way, dous anyone have some spare change lying around? i know i have some. perhaps we could just buy all startrek rights? i mean, for what they showed it was worth about 10 cents for them. seriously. ill think about it. and then we can just correct the ending or something, would add 20 years to my life expectancy. well anyway, ticket is bought, im goin to vegas to let this all just slip away from me. oh and by the way i dont think there`ll be another startrek series. im sorry but theyve done it all now. take care, see ya later. ( by the way im thinking about writing the actual finale, but im sure others will do it better. later. ) Haven't seen the episode yet; after I read your comments I'm convinced I will be disappointed if I ever do... But then - how often in the Trekverse have records been proven wrong, timeline mistakes been corrected, people from loooong ago suddenly turned up - even dead people have returned *grin*... I still hold hope and, well, if the PTB won't correct their version, I think The Fans will do that in fanfiction all over the world. Trip/T'Pol forever! i never have write of my life, i am not really "addicted fan" but i
find the last episode is a true suicide....... I like the heading with the words 'crap' and 'inflicted.' Yup, the finale is pure crap and that crap was inflicted upon us, the Enterprise fans. Specifically, the Trip-T'polers. The finale was full of crap. It was cheap too. They literally cut and paste scenes from TNG. If you notice after the opening credits, there's a scene in Ten-Forward with Picard, Data and a thinner/younger Riker. Then, the camera shifts to the plumper/older Riker and Troi sitting in another corner. Obviously, the person who chose the clip doesn't know anything about editing.
The finale is not only sloppily written, it is sloppily done. They obviously scrimped not just on money but on their imagination too. They killed off a major character just for the heck of it. They even messed up a good relationship between Trip and T'pol. I can see why Jolene complained about the finale. It truly is appalling. What the heck is going on!! Read the review unable to see the show. TRIP IS DEAD!!!!! The great romance is over!!!! Polly is only left with a shirt and memories for a long lifetime. Yes the nay sayers are right Star Trek needs a long break from TV and new writers. True to great story telling. Find an idea and make your viewers believe it. I can not believe the ideas that came out of this. Gene (The Founding Father) would be upset with stuff. Some character deaths are a necessary evil. A truly regrettable and horribly gut wrenching event, but no less necessary. Had the producers honored this simple fact of necessity, I would surely mourn Trip's loss, but none the less respect the outcome. They did not however see fit to give a beautifully created, stunningly fleshed-out character the send-off he so richly deserved. His pointless death in fact appeared careless, as though the writers had not even taken the time and effort to produce a plausible sequence of events. It was nothing more than a backdrop to "Riker's Dilemma" (my title for this farce since it certainly wasn't an ENTERPRISE episode) to ensure the "honorable" first officer would make the "moral" decision he struggled with so valiantly. Besides the fact that Trip died needlessly, he shouldn't have died at all, if for no other reason than the simple fact that HE wasn't the first officer. By using him rather than the real first officer as a scapegoat for Riker's moral tennis match... I mean as an example of "Starfleet morality" (aka senseless stupidity) they basically stated that only a human could possibly hold such regard for their captain. Then there's the minor detail that his "devotion" to his captain was the result of a twenty year friendship, NOT the respect of a fellow officer. And when was the last time Trip played the simpering go-to boy he portrayed in this episode? Finally, and perhaps the most disturbing, was the hurried, slap-dash plot, which included outlandish characterization and a complete disregard for continuity. The utter... negligence of the entire affair was far beyond merely disquieting. I am greatly disappointed that the producers care so very little for the fans, the characters, or the show that they would deliberately sabotage a beloved program for the sake of producing a story none of the above truly cared about. Has it occurred to anyone that B&B could be patting each other on the backs because their brilliant and effective writing has got rid of all the really annoying Star Trek fans.... opening up the possibility for them to make Star Trek: Alien Invasion????? Dreck is dreck, no matter the fancy name it is given. Fanfiction is the only saving grace. Terra Prime was the finale as everyone has said, and Trip and T'Pol ARE FOREVER!!! A comment from France : "C'est de la merde. " As we say, so I decided that this episode doesn't exist. Trip and T'Pol always and forever. :) that was a really crappy episode. braga and berman are such losers. i can't beleive them. i cried for three stinkin' hours. t'pol and trip not get together they practically wrote them off the episode exept when poor trip :( died. i thought id comment again on it think i would say that i would like say that the finale could be explained away as a mirror universe and that in the real one trip is a live and well and him and tpol are togethere I haven't even seen it but I don't think I'll be downloading this episode. Killing off Trip, come on. Say it does get commissioned for another season like The Pretender got 2 movies (another one of my beloved programs that got the axe.) Where the hell will it start?? 6 years in the future or the end of Terra Prime. God, I'm so annoyed. I could use a million swear words but I won't I could not stand to watch it. Trip's death didn't make sense because there could have been a different way out of that situation. It was just a hostage situation, there have been so many of those is Star Trek. Also when Trip died it was like (Oh well, he's dead lets move on). His clone got a better send off. It seems that this episode was written before the series started and the previous episodes had no bearing on the outcome. You know, I'm just so mad I had to say it again! OH My GOD!!! You are sooooo right! Sim got a better sendoff than Trip did!!!! Geez...I didn't realize that until you stated it...Sim did get a better send off. And I honestly can't believe how senseless this finale was...I thought maybe my perspective would be calmer several days later, but its not. That episode SO sucked. 4 days later and I'm still pissed...I think that it's pretty clear that if there is to be any new Star Trek in the future, that B&B have to be gone from their present positions. New blood is needed to take this franchise in a new direction. Coto was really on to something for most of this season. I think he showed that Star Trek was NOT stale or old but even more relevant in the world today. Star Trek will eventually come back, and the very first thing that should be done is to correct this travesty of a "final" episode for Enterprise. Or heck, even an official disclaimer from the new TPTB that stated that we should all disregard anything seen or said in the above mentioned "episode." i read somewhere that this was supposed to be a big good-bye to the WHOLE trek verse. how f...ing stoopid is that, ok sure it WAS getting a little "stale" but that's because OLD people were coming up with the SAME ideas from 20 YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!! seriously Coto should've had the show from season 2, i'm sure it would've saved us of one year of "arc-i-side" and THIS season would be ever known as the 3rd which would've given us ALL SEVEN SEASONS OF ENTERPRISE!!!! I DEMAND MY SHOW BE BACK ON THE AIR, forget the politeness factor after this abomination!!!!!! and i agree: they are A**HOLES first time to ever give feedback, but felt it was worth it. although havnt seen last episode yet, we are only up to observer affect over here. I do feel whats the point of him surviving all of the time if they were just going to kill him in the end? maybe just cynical but would campaign to bring show back would be affected by trip's demise I know for one I wouldn't want another series without trip. only consolation is at least connor trinneer is still with us, live on Trip in all our hearts Come on people! We need to write to whoever we have to to try and get a 5th season! I was praying that Trip's death was just a rumor, but looks like it wasn't. I had a dream last night about the final episode and ya know what happened? Archer and his crew faked Trip's death. Yeah, he was hurt but he survived his injuries. T'Pol stayed on with Starfleet for a year or two and then left to go meet up with Trip to their new home on Riza. Lots of aliens their so it wouldn't seem odd for a human and Vulcan to be seen together. It was safer than Earth for the time being. Trip's parents knew about this. Archer and the others visit them and Lorian (did I spell it right?) whenever they can. What a dream. I can't believe they kill their baby off and then they kill Trip off in the next episode. Poor T'Pol, her mom, then Elizabeth and Trip. why is it always T'Pol? Everyone is out to get her This is the e-mail I've sent to the morons! Dear Sir I've been StarTrek fan all my life and I've always respected the
message that it stood for. Marcia Toledo You go T'mar!!! I challenge-no BEG any author to write a new finalie, please? (Like after TP would be nice then we wouldn't get the senseless-not to mention Annoying 5 year gap) PLEASE PLEASE PUT SCREEN IMAGES ON CAUSE I CANT SEE IT TILL THE END OF
JULY Dear persons that run these boards. Have you considered sending a copy of all the posts here to the chaps at the studio. Maybe then they will actually know why their show got so much flack from the fans. It's not that we did n't love the show, it's just that the stupid monkey heads in charge of it decided to hire LAME ASS B&B who made it suck, just like they made voyager suck too. People want to watch challenging tv with interesting stories and characters. Not bland lame rubbish like most of the B&B episodes, including the finale and in my opinion most of the other trek series too. Enterprise was the best one so far because you could actually like the characters and care about them. And for them to just shove a whole load of BS together like that and tell us that is our finale! ARGH! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! http://scifipulse.net/Trek%20Archive/May2005/Berman_and_Trinneer.html Nez thats a really good idea. Bucky, Snugly, and myst123, you really should send all these messages to B&B and Coto. of course you wouldn't send the ones that have the potential to put us all in jail for terroristic threatening, that would be bad I can imagine the headlines now *FBI FOILS PLOT BY MILITANT TREKKIES* Being another UK fan, I haven't seen this cr*p epi yet. I'm just glad that I'm forewarned so it won't come as a horrible shock. I think I'll just tape it and watch it some time in the future as if it's nothing to do with the rest of Enterprise. What a bunch of idiots. They should let Coto have more time to make it a great series (poor guy, he didn't get a chance with Odyssey 5 either, although it was incredibly good) i saw again (revised) the episode tatv for the third time... THE EPISODE IS F**UCKING SHITE To quote Ms.Jolene Blalock about the last episode Christelle, The holodeck isn't used to travel back in time. Well, in a way it is because you can go anywhere you want. But Riker wasn't interacting with the real Enterprise crew, he was interacting with holograms. Somebody sometime in the future made a holodeck program about the Enterprise crew and he was just using it. Legoland's comments were elegant, and I applaud the sentiment. Ditto to pretty much everything above, that was the most appalling finale I've ever seen, and that includes Voyager and Farscape (Although Farscape is forgiven because they fixed it. Dang straight.). As far as I'm concerned, "Terra Prime" was the end of the series, and "TATV" was a tack-on to appease... well, I don't know who, 'cause it sure wasn't the masses. Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens did an excellent job with "Demons" and "Terra Prime", even if they had to pull a predictable Star Trek ploy and kill off a character that created interesting plots (aka Elizabeth). Sigh. Oh, well. We can always hope for time travel or another Genesis Planet. It's worked before, why not now? Meanwhile, may the spirit(and the characters) of Enterprise live on in fanfic! It's the only way I'll stay sane after that pitiful excuse for an episode! christelle&alex: my point exactly. malfunctioning holodeck. it was written probably 150 years after the fact; no one would still have been alive from that crew to contribute to that program. they got it wrong; it didn't happen; i feel better! Somebody should send this website address to the producers of Enterprise just so they can see how they enraged the fans. This might encourage them to continue the series, WITH TRIP STILL ALIVE!!
merci so, TATV it is just a big joke ! if, it's no real ok i was going to download TATV but now i think i'll skip it. i am going to resist the nagging of the devil on my shoulder who keeps saying 'watch this episode or u're not a true trek fan' and i'm going with the little angel who is saying 'don't watch it. never fear god has a plan for B&B! oh and the plan involves lots of pain, suffering and endless hours of eastenders!' WHAT WERE THEY THINKNING? Trip and T'Pol are in love and live happily ever after and DO NOT TRY ARGUING WITH ME! i love the new expression. i got valentined! the bank valentined me! the IRS valentined me! you're gonna get valentined! B&B are soooooooo going to get valentined! they're going to get valentined by every trek fan they in the world! Sending the URL for this website isn't going to help. If any of you want to have a 5th season, or even a miniseries to wrap the show up properly, then YOU need to write and tell Moonves and Stapf why. Here is the link for addresses and phone numbers to contact. Write, call, email this week, by May 26 so that all of our letters, email, and phone calls, originating from all over the world, arrive together: http://triptpolers.houseoftucker.com/may_26_write_call_email.shtml i thought the last ep sucked...could have done it way better...and wats with Trip dying and him and T'Pol having no relationsip....WTF?!?!?!?! Has anyone read the interview of Manny Coto on TrekNation (25 May2005)? He said that he was hoping to make Trip and T'pol's relationship more serious and permanent and this was actually shown in the last 2 episodes of the season which is Demons and Terra Prime. Now it's even more evident that the finale is a fluke! it's nice to know, that a lot of people were pissed off, take a look at this. http://www.tvguide.com/tv/roush/askmatt/ I look at it this way.I watched Terra Prime and These Are The Voyages repeatedly and what I came up with was that Terra Prime was the "Finale" for Enterprise and that"These Are The Voyages"was the ending of "StarTrek". Like most of you all, I think Terra Prime would have made a better season finale. As far as the concept of These Are the Voyages..., I think it would have been better, if Riker and Troi had been portrayed during a time after Nemesis; maybe teaching B-4 about Data. I have used Enterprise episodes as source video to learn editing with Final Cut and I have combined episodes to make my own Enterprise "movies." If I do this with the last episode, I would probably put Demons, Terra Prime, the conversation between Trip and T'Pol in the shuttle, the conversation between Archer and T'Pol where she is holding Trip's Frankenstein figure then the handholding from the funeral scene from Archer's dream from "A Night in Sickbay" then the last scene with Phlox, Archer and T'Pol at the charter signing ending with T'Pol watching Archer walk up the steps then cutting to the Picard, Kirk, Archer voicover with the NX-01 flying into the nebula. well make the video and post it in the video section of this wonderful site and let's have a look-see! You know it's really amazing to me that the shows producers could not come up with a Finale (and we all know they read the posts so they know what all the fans think) that all the fans for the most part would have liked.From what I've been reading on the posts gushers and bashers alike hated it. yeah i was really disapointed with this episode i didn't bother taping it was horrible, i don't even count it as the last episode of the fourth season, it could have been so much better , they screwed it up this is fantastic it makes no sense to want to cancel it yeah i agree, hey guys if you see B&B on the street in CA, They should totally get eggs thrown at them for writing such crap, man what the hell was that ? yeah go get them I've been disappointed before by the cancellation of a favorite show, but the abomination B&B through together made me really angry. It's been two weeks since the showed aired and I'm stilled angry! Not only was the episode total crap, it was an intentional INSULT to Enterprise's fans. I could have accepted Trip's death--even if his suicidal behavior seemed completely out of character. But B&B's assumption that we would accept that T'Pol and Tucker's relationship would somehow fizzle away and become just simple comradery was ridiculous. What was the point of BOUND? Did they have a bond or not? Or, as my husband suggested, did B&B think they could pull off another "Dallas"? (Gee, folks. It was all just a dream!) Shame on them! Well theres an article on trektoday about the A**holes. http://www.trektoday.com/news/040605_02.shtml What finale? There was no finale. Just the new Britney/Kevin reality series "Idiotic", or something like that. No need to watch UPN! The so called "season finale" was a piece of crap. I literally just wanted 2 break down and cry right there @ the end cuz it was so horribley disgusting. I felt sick. Trip never should have died, and realistically little Lizzie never should have bn created since they were supposed 2 haf Lorian in the first place so that really ticked me off so much. It was just not worth watching and I wish now that I had never seen the last two episodes- no Terra Prime and no "season finale". But maybe in the future they'll c what they did wrong and correct it 4 us, but until then I'm still really p.o.ed! B&B SUCK!!!! No further comment. Being a HUGE trip fan I didn't like the way he died. He should have died protecting a pregnant T'pol. That would have been better. I've just seen Terra Prime for the first time tonight, and I was really really excited about next week because I was expecting some amazing Trip & T'Pol stuff...and then I just stumbled upon this by mistake, and have had all illusions of an exciting end shattered. Hmph. :( I'm not happy... After reading most of these comments, I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the part of the episode which I considered the most...well, I suppose the appropriate word is wrong. While Trip and Archer are sharing their whiskey, T'Pol calls them to tell them that the aliens who are chasing Shran have caught up with them (how convenient that Shran just happened to be mistaken about their top speed...) and that they have boarded Enterprise. Let's see...aliens want their amethyst thingy from Shran REALLY badly...Shran, with the help of the Enterprise crew, tricks them into giving his daughter back after he gives them a fake amethyst thingy...aleins chase after Enterprise, catch up with it, and board it...aliens are super pissed that Shran and the Enterprise crew tricked them and they want revenge. Don't you think that MAYBE there's even a SLIGHT chance that they might have WEAPONS and want to KILL anyone they meet that helped trick them?! So the writers have Trip and Archer sprint to the bridge, not taking any care to try and sneak up on the aliens if they happen to run into them. And they're UNARMED?! Intruder alert means that hostile aliens have boarded the ship! They would never have just barrelled through the corridors without phase pistols to protect themselves! That's just wrong!! Also, where the hell were the MACOs during this crisis? I assume they were still onboard since we were never given any indication that they weren't. In any other episode, they would have been down to "greet" the invasion force in moments with plenty of time to take them down before Trip makes a completely uncharacteristic decision to kill himself...it would have made so much more sense (but still would have been unnecessary) for T'Pol to have been with Archer in this scene and had her sacrifice herself. That would have been the epitome of how the two of them had overcome their initial distrust of one another and how their trust and respect had culminated in one making the ultimate sacrfice for the other. That would have been better writing...I wonder if Paramount's hiring writers for the next series yet...I'll have to submit my resume. I cannot get over get how messed up that finale was. I read the script, read the comments and I just can't bring myself to watch it still. Why is it that every show has to be such a goddamn disappointment? Why can't a show deliver on their finale for once! I thought Enterprise would be good to its fans like it usually is but NOOOOOOOOO! Instead B&B throws this crap together and expects us to what? Enjoy it? Oh please! Angel killed off Wesley and demolished the angel/cordy shipper. YES I AM STILL ANNOYED ABOUT THAT! Then Enterprise the wonderful goes and finishes like this. I mean the writer's must have decided to spit on us fans cos I was SOOOOO insulted! How could they destroy such beloved characters in an hour of bad sub plots and forced sentiment? How could they kill Trip, Enterprise's BEST character!!! How could they destroy the great T/T shipper!!! I REFUSED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT STUPID EPISODE! Terra prime was the finale and always will be! P.S I'm sorry about the long rant but I had to get it out even after
all this time I'm still MAD about it! After the Trip/T'Pol crap of the finale, I'm certain the following romance won't disappoint: So I posted last week saying I hadn't seen this yet, and that it didn't sound great. I've now seen it - I agree with y'all! Oh my goodness, could it have been any worse?! T'Pol couldn't have been any less Vulcan. And it was COMPLETELY unnecessary for Trip to die. And the Trip/T'Pol scene about missing each other? Although I was glad to have at least some 'ship, it just didn't quite make sense - well, it did obviously, because we know that they wouldn't just break up like TPTB expect us to believe, because of the bond. But TPTB obviously think they would have ended their relationship (did they not write the relationship in the first place?!) so it didn't make sense to have that conversation. It's like TPTB knew that was they were doing was wrong, so put that scene in (thankfully!) but didn't actually think through why it was wrong and change the problem! Okay watched it last night in the UK. I am gutted to say the least. I have been watching Star Trek since I was a little girl and liked this new series the best. I can't believe the ending was so crappy. I was so dejected when I went to bed, I couldn't even bring myself to think about it. Even if they had just left things open for possibilites, or hinted that T'Pol and Trip were together it would have been better..I spent the first few scenes scanning for a wedding ring on her finger. I was that sure they would be together in the future after watching the entire show. What was all that about. The story was crappy - the Shran plot was so thin and the Riker bit seemed to just be included for the sake of joining it all up..It would have made more sense to do a bit with Kirk and the orginal cast (like Trials and Tribulations). The worse of it was the holodeck program - how on earth would it record all those private moments accurately for anyone in the future to just watch? How to they know that Trip and T'Pol had that conversation on the shuttle..this drove me mad!! I saw TATV last night. My expectations were extremely low, but somehow I still managed to overestimate the ep! I don't think I've ever seen characterization so bad. T'Pol in particular suffered. Her scene with the Chef was crazy. It's so unbelievable that she would chat away about personal issues like that. And Riker kissed her on the cheek! That was really annoying. I also hated the scene where Archer chewed T'Pol out for not being 'enlightened'. Wft?! They've been serving together for 10 years, and he thinks she's unenlightened? She lived on an alien ship for a decade! Surely immersing yourself in another culture counts as enlightenment. That was probably my least favourite Archer moment ever, and I'm not a particular fan of his. And he said it all while holding his water polo ball. I actually found all that continuity very irritating, as if B&B thought that that would suffice in keeping the fans happy. I agree with others, Trip in the corridor with the aliens was very un-Trip-like. It was totally out of character. And his death was so gratuitous. It was completely pointless, and we didn't see any kind of mourning scene. I know we got that scene in his quarters, but neither T'Pol nor Archer seemed too bothered. Sim got a much better send-off, but that's probably because Manny Coto wrote Similtude. I'm very glad we got Terra Prime, I thought it was one of the best Enterprise episodes ever, and a fitting end to the series and the characters. Everyone got their chance to shine in some way, even Hoshi and Travis. And of course, it ended on a very positive note for TnT. I suppose the fact that TATV was so profoundly bad, and so terribly written, makes it that much easier to dismiss. Sorry this is so long, but I just had to get it off my chest! Somebody should pay for that episode. I mean , whose stupid idea was to
kill Trip?! He was definitely THE BEST character ever of Star Trek. And
what happened with his relationship with T´Pol?!? Whoever wrote script for
this episode must have been on drugs, drunken and piss off on the world
and Star trek fans. I agree so much. I've seen the episode twice and it doesn't make any more sense the second time either (except I knew what to expect and calmed myself before decending in to mad frothing rants at the tv). I too consider "Terra Prime" the last 'true' episode, which had such a fitting ending. Not only was it T'Pol/ Trip goodness, there was a deepness to Trip's words behind the immediate situation. The last episode as it stands was just utter [bleep]! Like virtually everyone else, I have no idea how they found 200 year old personal moments to be used in holodeck simulations, unless they were from Personal Logs (and as Trip fried himself soon afterwards and it seems somehow out of character for T'Pol to make a note of her feelings, I doubt there were any around. Unless that suspicious looking MACO officer made a note of it, but why would he even think to do so?) I like to think that the holodeck program was simply wrong about a lot of things. I haven't thought out a really good "get out of death free" explanation, but maybe later on offical Starfleet records were changed (accidental or otherwise)? Or maybe Trip did 'die' but Phlox managed to bring him back, he decided to retire afterwards/ was forced to retire from lingering health problems and the people who made the holodeck program mistakenly got it wrong? It'd neatly explain away him not attending Archer's speech too... It would be easy to fix this stinkpile. Just have Daniels or an agent from so far in the future that ancient Humans aren't even considered sentient appear in another post Terra Prime episode and intercept the inadvertent bit of temporal contamination that accidentally triggers the final T/T breakup. Sure, the baby dies, but they would go on. It could interact with Daniels, trumping Mr. Smug Time Guy at every turn. Unfortunately a 45th century device that causes problems in un-attuned telepaths was lost back in time and Enterprise passed close to it just in time to really mess up Trip and T'Pol's bond. As a result, T'Pol simply can't bear her grief anymore and uses her shore leave to undergo a Vulcan technique to completely excise her memory of the last two years. She is logical season one T'Pol again and only knows about what happened to her on Enterprise in the sense that she read about it in her personal logs. She feels the bond with Trip, but has no emotional investment in it. The super-evolved temporal agent could explain to the pathetic aborigine temporial agent Daniels that if Riker watches that holodeck play about Trip's pointless death he'll make the wrong decision and really FUBAR the timeline, erasing the existence of all sentient life in the universe. If Trip is married to T'Pol, he is not suicidal and doesn't decide to kill himself. T'Pol senses the problem through their powerful bond and simply sweeps the whole deck with a stun beam when the aliens come aboard for Shran. I heard B&B say: "With all due respect, how can you keep comming up with fresh and new ideas..."Well if you coulden't do why in the hell did you take the damn job!? The cast could have writen a better ending than that! B&B embaressed themselves by airing that episode. yea still completely annoyed angered PO'ed about the whole damn thing and thank all fanfic writers for keeping my love of the show going. THANK YOU! p.s what exactly does valentined mean? I get the general jist but i don't understand why it means that. Thanx to whoever tells me. T/T forever and down with B&B!!!!!! "To be valentined" doesn't mean anything, but I was using to mean the same thing as "to be screwed" or "to be f***ed." What Nemo said on August 13th 2005 is a very good idea. I really think it would not only fix the crap they made but would also make a very interesting episode. B&B are what you call Socialist. A socialist does not like families they are only interested in death. In the B&B scripts and other crap of their design, this is what happened; Killed T'Pol's Father, killed T'Pol's Mother, killed Trip-T'Pol's Son, killed Trip-T'Pol's daughter and last killed T'Pol's husband. IDIC is what Trek is all about, not DEATH and suffering. All Trek Fans should really think about this. Remember, without the Fans, Star Trek would be nothing. It does strike me that the Beebs seemed to be rather significantly anti-T'Pol during the entire run of the series. Tolaris rapes her and gives her a mental STD, Raijin rapes her, she has a super-bad trip on T-D, then gets addicted to T-D, her son is killed (or simply invalidated), she is forced into a marriage she clearly didn't want, her mom dies in her arms, her daughter dies in front of her, her husband dies an absurd and completely pointless death... What is it they had against her? I mean jeez... Before the "piece of crap" aired I remember reading some articles about it. Jolene Blalock said she was appalled and disappointed by the "the piece of crap" (my words not hers). I thought she was exaggerating and then I wasted an hour of my life on May 13, 2005 and realized appalling didn't even begin to describe it. So, thanks to House of Tucker for doing it right. I love this site. what was that crap would please someone tell me... I had accidenty stumbold upon this site and after reading all these comments felt need to say something as fan of Enterprise. There are no words which could describe my rage, anger and disappointment. I had no clue about the end until I actually saw it. I heard a rumour about Trip's getting killed, but I hoped it was about Sim, not Trip. I was so thrilled how the things were working out in the last few episodes (especially in ''Bound'') and I watched very promising Terra Prime the day before airing final ep. But, what a turn out. Pure 180. I was completely off guard. It was one of the biggest disappointments in my life. One great dream was shattered into pieces in less than hour. The WORST finale EVER. Senseless, insulting, disguisting. Way beyond even darkest expectations. 3 days has passed since watching that ... that ... FINAL INSULT, and I still can't figure it out what the hell that was all about. But, I do know one thing. These B/B ''experts'' managed to crash down 4 year work in 40 minutes. They killed my best ST show ever and irreversibly destroyed any chance of a possible continuation. And all that in a single episode. That's quite impressive achievement. I am stunned with such lack of appreciation for the fans. Who the hell are they working this show for if not fans?! What did they want to accomplish with this ending but to annoy fans?! And as if they weren't satisfied with the killing of the show they had to screw everything else up. Completely unnecessary and ridiculous killing one of the best ST characters ever and ending the most beautiful romance ST ever had, were the highlights of stupidity amongst many other things. Why did they start telling that story and then finish it in such non rational way?! What was the purpose of that?! Perhaps to prove that HUMAN STUPIDITY HAS NO LIMITS! Especially theirs! Trip&T'Pol have no relationship?! How? Why? Where or when did that bond for life thing disappear? I agree. They were the perfect couple and they deserved perfect ending! Kill the whole crew, destroy entire ship but don't touch Trip&T'Pol!! No matter what!! I was so looking forward to buy all these episodes on DVD's, but now I don't feel like doing it. There's no point watching it considering this stupid end. Right now I'm very sad and feel like I'm never going to watch any future ST shows if the Enterprise story isn't set right. I'm also realized I would never find out what would really have happened if the show had been continued. I'm pretty sure that in such case the show would have not ended the way it has, especially after hearing Mr. Coto's statement that he had all worked out about Trip/T'Pol relationship which was supposed to reach its peak in further seasons. These were likely to be the best seasons of Enterprise. That's what grieves me the most. And what's killing me is that there's not a damn thing I can do about it. I agree with all of you considering Terra Prime as the finale, and despite the fact that solutions like time travel and holodeck malfunction sound interesting I doubt they could repair the damage this B/B ''experts'' did. The only thing that could wash away this embarrassment of Paramount's name would be continuation of the show from the ending of Terra Prime, completely deleting last episode like never existed and letting Manny Coto to finish what he had started. Yes, the last episode should be deleted from ST database for good. In all this bitterness there is a small hope that some day, someone in Paramount might understand what had happened and fix this terrible mistake. I apologize for taking so much space here but I simply needed to let
some of the steam out. It might make me feel a bit better. It's nice to
know that lot of you share the similar opinion. I was brought up watching Star Trek TOS in my home because it was my
father's favorite show. As today, Enterprise is mine. Even though his
favorite show was heinously cancelled also, after a 12 year disappearance
the Star Trek fans managed to grind six motion pictures out of Paramount
and Roddenberry. We should demand no less from Enterprise. Wow, after reading all the comments here, I'm so amazed how this site is keeping Enterprise and Trip alive! Down with the Finale TAV and Trip/T'pol forever!!!
TATV was aired on Croatian National TV on 9/19. Only a day before I watched TP and everything seemed just fine. But, the very next day...oh, man...what a disaster...I could not believe my eyes. I was sort of caught off-guard because I didn't have the slightest idea what the 'finale' would be all about. I knew Voyager had a pretty sloppy finale, but I certainly didn't expect this abomination. I don't know what it was, but certainly wasn't the ENT I've been getting to know over the past few years. And no matter how hard I tried I couldn't find the link between TATV and TP or the rest of ENT. For instance, what the hell happened with T/T's relationship? I mean, after all that dancing around one another and all those feelings, nothing happened. Nothing? For real? Come on... And what happened with that bondmates concept? I figured it was a bond for life. So, how come it vanished just like that? It just doesn't make no sense. I feel like the writers teased me for couple of years. And for what? For a big fat NOTHING! If they wanted me to buy that pile of crap they were way wrong. TP is the real finale to me, although may not seem as perfect end, but makes the sense at least. What a shameful end of ST saga and ENT in particular. I can't get over it not even a three weeks later. And doubt I ever will. Not even a future ST show could possibly diminish my anger. I simply can't shake the feeling that something's missing. I want to see the founding of the first starbase, a visit to Phlox's home planet of Denobula, more complete look at the founding of the United Federation of Planets, Shran aboard ENT and so much more... And of course, Trip&T'Pol getting together. And even if they didn't end up together (which I doubt) I'd like to see it for myself. I don't need some holo machine to tell me that some 200 years ahead. No way. I like SF and I've watched most of ST shows. But to be quite honest I never kind of liked them. They were so boring, artificial (except few episodes now and then) and their preachy political correctness was really irritating. However, I really enjoyed watching ENT. OK, I wasn't thrilled at first, because the story lines were mostly boring, very much similar to TNG. Despite all that, something was different. It was a certain sense of reality. Many people have resented a lack of light and almost claustrophobic atmosphere as if it were Alien movie. On the other hand I was fascinated, because I believe that interior of a starship isn't supposed to look like a shiny lobby of some fancy hotel, but very much like the one depicted in ENT. And there was Trip. An offbeat character with sarcastic sense of humour (like McCoy) whom I liked from the get-go. I think if it hadn't been for Trip though I may have given up during the second season. And after T'Pol had 'joined' him in the third season it was a feast for eyes. I agree that the first couple of seasons were not that great, but the show really made a comeback with a different producer and writers. Third season finally made some progress introducing not only the story arc about the Xindi, but the Trip/T'Pol's story arc as well. Suddenly, I didn't care about the Xindi no more. I was literally riveted to the screen by the relationship between the beautiful Vulcan and CMD Tucker. Jolene and Connor were absolutely brillant in their roles. I enjoyed their twisted, yet so appealing game of mutual attraction and denial. Like so many other people as well. Lots of them were watching ENT even though they weren't fans. You know, people like stories about people. They don't need time travel and scary aliens every week. The following fourth season was one of the best in ST history, bringing out the true spirit of TOS. And that's not my opinion only. Many people said that. I was so happy with that season when they finally managed to eliminate most traces of the hideous B&B odor from the previous seasons. And then...the show's been cancelled! Due to low ratings caused by viewers fatigue. Hm...I wouldn't put my money on that. True, they tried to re-invent ENT too late in the game. The viewers have already sampled the show and they've made their decision. People that were staying with it were probably going to stay with it regardless. However, that was still a considerable number of viewers. Then, ENT was aired on some obscure channel and moved in the last season to time slot when no one was watching but fans. That certainly wasn't the best course of action to raise ratings. Quite the opposite in fact. Even the fans donations were refused. Why? Plain and simple. They wanted to kill the show and they did it. Period. It's very likely they had been quietly planning since the middle of season two on ceasing production after season four, because they needed to fulfil the necessary quota in order to sell the syndication rerun rights. Oh, and by the way, many Trek members joined Brannon Braga on his new CBS series Treshold. Merely a coincidence? I don't think so. Why kill Trip and end up his relation with T'Pol like never happened? I see no other reason, but to sabotage any future attempts to revive the series. They were the most popular characters and death of one of them killed the story. In fact, it killed everything else. For good. Most of the TATV comments were like this: ''Trip died, no T/T relationship? Why?'' It seems to me as if someone didn't want Trip&T'Pol to take the crown as the best ST couple (and they are) instead of Riker&Troi. So, who's got screwed up in the end? Nobody, but the actors and loyal ENT fans. And they are the most loyal and most devoted fans I've seen. They were with ENT through thick and thin and certainly didn't diserve all that. Actors were giving their best throughout all seasons and they surely deserved a better sendoff. And what did they get? An awful TNG episode with Riker&Troi virtually making fun of them. No wonder they were unhappy with 'finale'. "I have certainly been the vocal one," Jolene Blalock admitted. "I assumed that the ending would be about our show and not a wrap-up of the conglomerate...it was just insulting." "I would be lying if I said that the episode was a rousing success. I don't think that the actors liked it. I think it showed in their performances that they weren't happy and that the episode suffered from that. But I can understand why the fans were upset. They wanted their ENT and they might not have wanted to see other ST characters in there. And Rick (Berman) and I were coming to a time where ST was ending a long 18 year run and we felt 'you know what, the whole franchise deserves something.' And perhaps we were misguided in thinking that, but it is what we did." Well, that was nicely put Mr. Bragga, but that's just not good enough. You can't do what you did and just walk away. The ENT fans will never forget that. I know I never will. ENT was definitely cut down in its prime. ''I don't for moment believe ST needs a break. In fact I think we need more ST. I would be happy to be doing ST for the rest of my life,'' Manny Coto said. If only he had come aboard sooner, things may have been way...way different. No question about that. At least, there's this site which trully keeps spirit of ENT and
Trip&T'Pol's relationship alive. As of now, I'll be visiting this site
only. Great post Praetorian! TATV was in a total bizarro world. It didn't even feel like the same show, let alone the same franchise. The characters felt like puppets that were being made to do things that didn't make a whole lot of sense. It was a total 180 from Terra Prime in my opinion. Terrific post, Praetorian. When I saw TATV last spring, I wept. I rarely weep watching a television show (I'm just not that kind of gal)... but there was nothing bittersweet about the weeping I was doing during that show. I cried during TP because it was beautiful and well done (very reminiscent of Similitude), but I cried watching TATV because I felt like B&B just spit in my face for choosing to be an ENT fan. I was one of the many that turned off the show a few episodes after Broken Bow. I was one of the few that turned it back on in the end of season 3 and became a rabid fan during season 4. This is what I get for returning to ENT? For putting my heart and soul into the show after giving up on it? I take comfort that it's only a holoprogram, and innaccurate one at that. The wonderful thing about Sci-Fi is that anything is possible. Someday when the Beebs are gone from Trek, someone will get smart and offer Manny Coto the job. I don't doubt that he'd make it up to us. I don't doubt it at all. ^^^That was me... forgot to put my name on it! Terra Prime is the Finale for me.Manny Cotto had planned a third part to continue where Terra Prime left off to find out what happened to Trip and T'Pol's relationship instead Berman and Braga's awful finale written in seaon3 when they thought Enterprise would be canceled and no season looked like it wasn't going to happen.was shoe horned instead at the end of season 4. John Billingley said in an interview That Berman and Braga Crashed their party by taking the destiny of their characters out of the actors hands for a fitting end to the Enterprise Characters stories that actors and would like got dumped with a Tng holodeck show.The actors have been very outspoken of their dislike of These are the Voyages to go down as the most hated Finale of all time.All the Enterprise actors and the fans got burned and still will be hated for Killing Trip and making him seem like he was totally incompetent and doing away with T'Pol and Trip's relationship was stupid all the way around.I will not watched this episode when I get the season 4 dvd's alot of people will boycott it. These are the voyages is garbage it's badly written and it shows that Berman and Braga didn't care about Connor's character being dumbed down and killed off.What's more disgusting is Berman and Braga first blamed it on franchise fatigue,Then the fans and a stab in a back to the entire Enterprise cast for poor acting in the finale because they were angry at how their characters were treated.A finale as a holodeck show for Riker and Troi to make fun of the Enterprise crew Shran turned into pirate Riker as a Maco pretend ing to be chef and kissing T'Pol yuck. .It's no wonder Jolene and all the other actors said they hate this crappy finale.I hated T'Pol's lost evryone she loved it's just a rotten way to treat a leading character. I feel the need to comment on this as it has a great many connections to my life. I'll provide some background information to bring it into perspective. I am an ASHer, for those who don't know what that is, google it. I followed the last two seasons of ST:E Very closely and absolutely loved the Trip and T'Pol understory. However, when I watched the finale it mirrored my own life so closely that it literally took me 2 days to recover in which I almost CTB. The reason is for me, my life yields little hopefullness and I could really connect with the characters and it gave me a little to look foward to each day. Then those two shitheads quite litterally ripped my heart out. CBS has cancelled Brannon Braga's Threshold after a move to Tuesday
nights resulted in a drop in ratings. http://www.trektoday.com/news/241105_03.shtml last epizode...of enterprise? ps.PRETORIAN-NE SERI PUNO!!! Wow. The last episode was such a let down. The relationship between Trip and T'Pol was incredible and had a great foundation. And they just threw it all away in the finale. They simply broke up 6 years ago. Hardly a fitting conclusion to the end of the second-last episdoe where Trip and T'Pol seem to have really connected. Characterization, actors and the entire Star Trek series was disgraced by the series finale. Lets just hope that a season 5 is made (and 6,7,8,....) so they can fix this. Does anyone actually have news if they are going to make any new
seasons? Is there any speculation? I'm as enraged over this piece of...whatever...that they said was the
last episode as you are. Come on! We can do this! Kizo svaka čast za komentar... The 5th of march is a dead day for enterprise fans in the uk. It is the day when this utter F*cking crap airs again. I will watch the sci-fi guy bit to see if they feel the same as al of us. AVOID THE ACTUAL EPISODE AT ALL COSTS! Go to hell B&B! they should have put trip and t'pol together and t'pol being able to not able to supress her emotions. i did not enjoy the last two episodes wouldn't it be funny if on an episode they would have let Dr Soong out of jail to fix something on enterprise, having to work with T'pol who can't control her emotions any longer who's also having some trouble with a crew member or someone Captin Archer trusts trying to get it on with her but can't put them off. While working with Dr Soong he see's what's going on and they pretend to be married to try and get them put off and try and let Captin Archer see what's going on. At dinner time Dr Soong and T'pol arrive together a little late. At the table Archer is joined by Trip who loves T'pol but is on the other ship, Trip's Captin, the people or who ever likes T'pol, Phlox the doc who reads Dr Soong accidently finds out whats going on between T'pol and Dr Soong and the who ever likes T'pol is up to no good get's a shock at the table Archer asks whats wrong but he's speechles and catches up with T'pol once she leaves early saying she is not feeling well and they talk but agree to go along with what they are doing but try and some how get through to Archer. After watching seasons 1&2 I thought that this had the best cast . Then when it went to the UPN I missed seasons 3&4 due to no local UPN,so I recently purchased a used dvd series set and watched seasons 3&4, and seeing how Trip & T'pol's relationship was beating all odds and obstacles! At the end of Terra Prime episode the two were holding hands and I figured that we would see them get married and possibly have a family? But NO what did we the fans get? We got a total flop that was a waste of airtime. B&B ( Bevis & Butthead) should've left the better writers like M.Cotto or J&G Reeves-Stevens write the final show especially since there past episodes were exelent! Fire B&B from any future Star Trek's!!! I'm coming up on the final episode for the first time and having read all the posts, I'm truly frightened. It's sounds like the episode was written vindictively with malice intended to the loyal fans of Enterprise and of the Star Trek franchise in general. I'm trying to chillax though...it was all a holodeck program and therefore easily remedied at some point in the future. Look at what happened when Geordie Laforge created Dr. Brahms for the first time and got her all wrong...he didn't have all of the pieces of information at his disposal to program her accurately. In my fantasy world, I like to believe that Trip's death was faked so that he and T'Pol could finally live out the lives they were meant to live out together. Trip was inded such a central character that perhaps he even became embroiled in a larger intergalactic plot that required him to go into hiding. Perhaps it will be revealed some day that Trip Tucker played some instrumental role in something super important but that no one save his closest friends from the Enterprise would ever know about. Maybe there is some dramatic ending waiting to be written where the whole crew realises the importance of what they are about to do in terms of covering up/faking Trip's death and they all stand together as one to protect Trip and the galaxy from some untimely end. The beautiful part is that it is such a sacrifice...despite all Trip has done and the recognition he deserved, there is some larger interest being served by his 'death' and not even future generations will necessarily know the truth. Anyway, I still think there's hope and I can still picture a brilliant end with our favorite crew standing shoulder to shoulder, saving earth and other worlds once again. WTF?! That was the end of the series?! That has to be the worst episode I have ever seen. Unlike the final episodes/films of all the other series, there was no sense of summation. Trip's death was pointless, and to end the episode on Riker turning off the holodeck was a disappointment. Whilst I did like the idea of the last episode being when the Federation was formed, they could have done without the TNG angle. The crew also had no emotion about the Enterprise being decommissioned. In TOS, we see the whole bridge crew gathered around the bridge while Kirk makes a final captain's log entry (ST:VI); in TNG, we see Data die and the crew split up (ST: NEM); in Voyager we see the crew overwhelmed at returning home (and Harry being tearful!); in DS9 we see them all departing (apart from Bashir who just can't stay away from the Station). And what do we get in Enterprise - we see Archer walked up a set of stairs followed by Riker and Troi talking. Why not have him give an emotional speech. And as for Trip, is he still in the imaging chamber? Agreed, that episode was a load of Crap! Trips death was utterly pointless, not to mention improbable. I seam to recall Shran saying something about the alien ship not being fast enough to catch up with them. And where the hell was Reed? He could have shown up and kicked some ass or something! AND, WTF is up with it all on the holodeck on 1701-D?!? Riker? Troy? WTF is this crap that they are feeding me? OH! And notice how magically after 10 years no one has been promoted?! I simply disregard this episode and at times I want to shoot the dumb asses that came up with it. They need to have a 5th season, or at least one more episode that undoes the crap in this one, hell I could think of something, lets see… A holodeck program to see how Trip would respond, or a Romulan Clone, or Daniels shows up and goes “whops! That’s not supposed to happen!” Any thing just no that crap!!!!! Owen is right, also what was then the whole point of the older t'pol saying trust trip and their life together with the "son"? I Have an Idea!!!! I agree with every thing I have red on this page and
over the last few nights and have been thinking, about that crap of a last
episode, and then it hit me. Why should that be the last episode? So what
if Paramount wont fund another season, why don’t we the fans fund another
season? I mean there is a lot of fans right? So if we all donate a little
we will have enough to fund a 5th season! I don’t se why Paramount would
say no I mean we would be paying for it and if the 5th season went well
they would get the benefit! And hell while we are at it we could can those
dicks B&B. I don’t know if this has been tried before, so please tell
me what you think and give any suggestions that you may have. Send me an e
male at; ks_the_87th@yahoo.com Thanks Hi, KS - Unfortunately, raising the money for a fifth season was attempted, and failed. Paramount said they wouldn't take any money from fans to produce more Enterprise. It looks like TPTB at Paramount aren't interested in creating a fitting end to Enterprise. You could write a letter to the president of Paramount, asking for more Enterprise, even a TV movie! Mr. David Stapf Oh well, uh, never mind then. I have had a revelation! Recently I bought the 4th season DVD set and decided to view the last couple of episodes. Upon review of In a Mirror, Darkly Part II, I noticed that in the part where Mirror Archer and Mirror Hoshi are reading about there alternate selves futures (The real Archer and Hoshi) you can actually read the text. So being a naturally curious person I paused, zoomed in and red them. I noticed that in Hoshi’s biography it clearly states that she retired from Star Fleet a Lieutenant Commander after serving on only one ship…Enterprise. Ok, so later in uh, I hate to speak its name, These are the Voyages…it can be seen that Hoshi is still an Ensign. Meaning that These are the Voyages, contradicts a previously established cannon, because Star trek cannon is established by what ever is see on the screen, so there fore I submit that…wait for it… These are the Voyages…Dose not corporate previously established cannon and there fore is irreverent!!! I WIN!!! HA! SUCK IT B&B!!! Thank you good night! Sorry about the spelling mistakes, it was late, but I still win! Ha!! Suck it hard B&B!!!! Over a year later and the stench that this episode was has not dissipated. I thought I'd get over it, but in purchasing my Season 4 DVD's, the anger resurfaced. I actually haven't rewatched this "valentine" since its original airing last year and I won't. The episode was revolting on so many levels: 1. Is it so hard to conceive that not everyone who watched ENT was a
fan of TNG? I have no interest whatsoever in Troi and Riker and to center
the finale of ENT around these two plastic characters was an insult. B&B probably figured we'd all forget about this slap in the face, but I will seek to avoid all of their future "work" and wish they receive the same treatment as they gave to the characters, cast, crew and fans of this show. Are you sure, guys, that this is over? Are you sure that Paramount has
no interest whatsoever in STE to be continued? |